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"It's important to note that natural breast enhancement supplements may contain herbs known as phytoestrogens, which could increase the risk of some types of breast cancer. Serious drug interactions are possible as well, especially if you take a blood-thinning medication such as warfarin (Coumadin)." Dianna ever heard of the woman doctor and any chance she really knows anything about herbal formulas? Usually the Mayo Clinic has a good reputation but do they have anyone there who knows the first thing about herbs and their interactions? |
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> "It's important to note that natural breast enhancement supplements may contain herbs known as phytoestrogens, which could increase the risk of some types of breast cancer. This is VERY unfortunate propaganda, given that for the past eight years women have been treated to a laundry list of hormone things which somehow cause cancer... In July 2002, the Women's Health Institute stopped a study using 160,000 women, involving the effectiveness of drug hormone treatments. The test was stopped because the number of women who got breast cancers, etc., was above expectations. The reports, then and until now, virtually ALL call out the culprit as "estrogen mixed with progestins". This made reporting easy, since very few people know that "progestins" is the code word for synthetic progesterone, i.e., the code word for medroxy-progesterone, aka "Provera". Yes, Provera is the primary damaging drug. Keep that in mind as you visit other TG/TS web sites which claim Provera is a useful drug for feminization. The drug being studied by the WHI, is called PremPro, a combination hormone drug of Premarin and Provera. To your specific question/concern: There are virtually NO cases of breast cancer, in M2F TG/TS people, ever, after 55 years of clinical observations. It just does not happen. The one case -- the one TS person I personally know who developed breast cancer, is VERY clear in stating that she comes from a family with a long history of male breast cancer; and that she would most likely have gotten breast cancer even if she had never transitioned nor used any kind of female hormones. > "Serious drug interactions are possible as well, especially if you take a blood-thinning medication such as warfarin (Coumadin)." Yes -- and we have had this discussion on this Forum, in the past. People using the rat-poison-based drug called warfarin, Coumadin, should NOT be also taking ANY kind of estrogen supplements, whether drug or plant based. > Dianna ever heard of the woman doctor and any chance she really knows anything about herbal formulas? > Usually the Mayo Clinic has a good reputation but do they have anyone there who knows the first thing about herbs and their interactions? Herbs, maybe; herbal formulations, no. The greater problem is that over the past twenty years, many health writers and doctors confused and co-mingled the dangers of xeno-estrogens [psuedo-estrogens] with "phyto-estrogens"; they tarred phyto-estrogens with the same brush as xeno-estrogens deserve to be tarred with. Xeno-estrogens are dangerous and destructive to the human body, and to reproductive health. This problem was amplified by tens of thousands of people Copy/Pasting the mis-information from one web site to another.... And TG/TS web sites are not immune to pushing this mis-information about phyto-estrogens, either. . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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In the other forum I spend lots of time at (Crossdressers.com) they have basically closed all mention of herbal formulas rather than deal with all the controversy. They have this distinct avoidance complex of anything that might be controversial and generate a little heat. So I can have no conversations with them about this whole thing we do here, neither can I offer any of your wisdom. So I am stuck now here. I have many friends there at the other forum and there is a lot to say about many TG/TS issues there. (just not herbal formulas ever) BTW just started on CC and I am WOW'd over its effects so far, wish I had started it a long time ago. |
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> They have this distinct avoidance complex of anything that might be controversial and generate a little heat. Amazing, that a group of crossdressers would want to avoid "controversy" or "heat"... There is some stunning irony in that. I suspect that what they -- as a discussion group -- desire the most in their world, is to have permission -- legal protections -- for At Will, At Whim, crossdressing in their workplace..... > I have many friends there at the other forum and there is a lot to say about many TG/TS issues there. > (just not herbal formulas ever) There are many discussion threads here, all over this Forum, which are not related to herbal formulations... Bring your friends here to chat! (Just tell them they are not allowed to post on the specific hormone discussion threads or topics ::::GRIN:::: ) Truth is an ugly thing for many many people not just TG/CD/TSs..... . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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| I always found that amazing about that forum as well. For as open minded as they claim to be, they tend to have some ridiculously draconian posting policies. I much prefer the warm and welcoming environment here. I have learned a lot and I feel that the products are working really well for me. Thank you Dianna for such a wonderful product and a big thank you to all the great people on this board with your many hints, tips and humor. You really know how to make a girl feel at home. |
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> Amazing, that a group of crossdressers would want > to avoid "controversy" or "heat"... > I suspect that what they -- as a discussion group > -- desire the most in their world, > is to have permission -- legal protections -- for > At Will, At Whim, crossdressing in their > workplace..... When I first got on the web I went to a CD group. I found out real quick that they wanted nothing to do with anyone that wanted to go farther on the path. I let it be known from the start that I was not CD and I was looking for information about Tg/Ts. That same day they let me know that it was a site for CD's only and was banned from useing or even looking at the site. It seemed to me that they were only happy when they can bully people into being sheep. Then they are happy because they surround themselfs with people that think the same way they do. I don't think I could live in a place where everyone thinks the same way as me. I like it when I can get a mix of different thoughts. The mind needs a little controversy from time to time. Thats why I like this site so much, people can have a difference of opinion with out trying to have a male side of themselfs where they have to win at any cost. Daks -- Every end is a beginning. Every beginning is an end. |
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Daks that is really beautiful, I really love what you said and the way you said it! Joni |
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Well Joni to be fair it is their site and they have the right to run it the way they see fit, without some old geezer coming to it and taking a crap in there playground. "giggles" But I was only 48 at the time. Daks -- Every end is a beginning. Every beginning is an end. |
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> they have basically closed all mention of herbal formulas rather than deal with all the controversy. > They have this distinct avoidance complex of anything that might be controversial and generate a little heat. Curious -- do they have discussions on drug-based hormones? Or is the entire world and potential of hormones, drug-based as well as herbal, off limits to them? . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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| Actually Dianna there are lots of TS on that board and we chat about many transition issues. There is a separate area for TS but some of the others come over and share their experiences also. There used to be an area for politics but it was shut down due to flaming. Yes they do discuss their drug based hormones and such issues there comparing notes etc. |
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> Yes they do discuss their drug based hormones Confusing logic.... They should at a minimum be making people aware of the dangers of overdosing on certain herbs, such as Saw Palmetto .... They should be warning people about the dangers of Spironolactone, as well. Strange. . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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Mostly the banned discussion is whether or not herbs can or cannot grow breasts and no I don't need to explain to those here how I feel about that. Since herbs are really only a small part of our shared experience it is hardly an unfriendly place overall. Of course If I were to suggest everyone here read Janice Raymond I might just get kicked off of here. -- "In a world of conflict, it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. |
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> People using the rat-poison-based drug called warfarin, Coumadin, > should NOT be also taking ANY kind of estrogen supplements, whether drug or plant based. I see this warning often. Does the estogen thin the blood more or counter the effect of coumadin? I was given a choice, compression hose or coumadin. They aren't very sheer and attractive but they look better on me than coumadin in me. Given that info, will I be pressing my luck with estrogen supplements? -- BcomingBrenda |
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> Does the estogen thin the blood more or counter the effect of coumadin? Elevated estrogen levels, regardless of what caused the elevated estrogen, -- drug hormone supplements, or formulations or bulk herbs -- ... increase the potential for blood clotting. That said, women tend to live longer than men live, and this is often attributed to estrogen being good for the heart. This would be a REALLY good time to have a serious discussion with your primary care doctor. Because the doctor does not recognize you as someone who might have elevated estrogen levels, your doctor will prescribe the wrong dosage for you This would be a really BAD time to keep your supplements usage hidden. Your doctor likely has little, to no, formal education on herbs, and will therefore tell you to not use them. So ask your doctor about the potential effects of drug estrogens vs coumadin. > will I be pressing my luck with estrogen supplements? Yes. As a side note, anyone taking supplemental estrogen, from any source, NEEDS to tell any emergency room doctors, or surgeons, that they are taking supplemental estrogen. Not telling, can easily be fatal. . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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Thanks much Dianna. I do love this website/forum. The info is straight forward and there's not the trash talk found on so many others. Also, the experience and feelings I see expressed throughout are almost an echo of what my mental state is. The relief of shedding the lie is shown throughout. Thanks to all for sharing. -- bcomingbrenda |
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Last year when I had my near-fatal heart condition (atrial fibrillation/tachycardia) they asked if what medicines I was on. I said none, except herbal hormone supplements, mentioning Evanesce by name. They brushed me off and put me on Coumadin (or was it Warfarin?) ... rat poison ... anyway. That was back in New Jersey. I guess they either knew nothing about herbal hormones or didn't believe in their efficacy. I took a ten day break from E&F. Now instead of 'rat poison', I'm on a daily dose of 325 mg aspirin to thin my blood and prevent blood clots should I suffer another AF episode. Thank God I've not had another episode for the last 14 months! |
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> They put me on Coumadin (or was it Warfarin?) Same thing -- warfarin is the medical/generic name, Coumadin is a brand name. . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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