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Hello ladies, my name is Jody (my actual birth name) and I am androgynous (is that too 'AA'? :D). I am looking at starting at least one of these products in the near future - I'm away overseas at the mo and need to [maybe]address some minor issues, as a wonderful counsellor once said to me that "as Human beings, we can only handle one thing at a time" and not to take too much on at once (which I'm an expert in doing!!). Anyway... as already stated, I am an androgyne, and within myself I feel like a 'blank' - no gender and just a [uncomfortable]sense of self. In my recent history I recall feeling male once or twice - and that was brief, and my response to that feeling was "well that would solve a problem". When I feel feminine I both feel right and like how I feel. I dress in private - though I may wear a pair of knickers and tights when going out on my own briefly - and I find it gives me a great sense of calm and 'order' and steadiness. I don't wear make up and have my head shaved. And it is not so much a female look I seek, but more how I feel both bodily and within. The feminine feelings - however desirable and right they feel - do not come automatically when dressed. They can be either the motive to dress or the product of dressing, or just not come at all (which renders the dressing as 'a waste of time and not right', though I still gain pleasure and satisfaction from the sensations of the materials and also the look of the clothing. Just quickly, I have a male body, but have androgynous looks in my face and walk half way between man and woman. Okay, now to the point.... I am feeling very 'drawn' to the Evanesce as I have in the past experienced: plumped lips, a cushioney feeling around my bottom and also (as described in a post on here) the small of my back being pushed in and my bottom forced out and being naturally made to walk in a feminine way - yeah, I'm that guy with the strange experiences lol. I don't at this stage plan a full transition - but who knows hey... but I am seeking some level of feminization (what level I don't know, I tend to 'ride the boat' and see where it takes me and then get off when I've gone far enough - that is generally 'my way' to approach life), and I know what I DO want, and that is the said physical changes along with a small breast growth (though I am aware that I may not be able to regulate this, and who knows, if I got more than I bargained for then I might like it aswell...), but mainly it is the inner feminization (am I spelling this right? FireFox says "nope" :)) that I am seeking - the 'state of mind', emotion and inner-calm and basically everything these hormones offer. And now that I say that, then I realise that there is not one effect of these products that I do not want!! I think the breast size thing is that although I do want some, I also want to be able to pass in a male role as necessity has it (also I think it may be a product of my S.A.D - Social Anxiety Disorder, which causes me to obsess and worry about what everyone is thinking!! btw, just what are you thinking huh?? :D). So, yeah, could someone please advise me in what to take and how much please? As I have already said, I (at this time) feel strongly drawn to just the Evanesce, or maybe the ES version. Would either one of these products allow for feminization and to what extent could they possibly work? Could I achieve what I have mentioned (even to a small degree) using just E or ES? Help me pleeeeeaaassssse :) Oh, and I'm 32 ,5' 10", with a good enough body, but with a bloated belly :( My hope is that these pills will pull the chubb down to my hips n bootie :) Erm, I dunno, if there is any more info you might need, then feel free to 'pry' away... :) Jody (I'm adopted, but that is my birth name - which is androgynous....hmmm interesting...) xx One last thing, with regards to the issue of antropy, impotence and possible sterilization, then that is really a non-issue for me. I am not very big (by far) in that region and have a near to zero sex drive and have had sex once in the past 5 years. Sex has never been a big thing to me - at least in the traditional 'male on female' way, as I am more interested in the 'sensual' side to love making and would describe myself as a lesbian in the bedroom - and in fact I believe that because of this, then it could only better my sexual experiences and expression. And although I haven't ever been tested (to my knowledge - who knows what they do with your blood...) I don't feel I have high testosterone levels. Sorry, I keep editing this.... :/ As for breasts, then if they did grow big (which I may really like - I say that you can't imagine your reaction to a situation until you are in it) then there wouldn't be a beach issue as I very rarely set foot on a beach, and I guess it is one of those 'bridges I will cross' if/when I get to it. Okay, I am NOT going to add to this any more!! I've just been psyching myself up to post this and trying to find the right words and now I canna stop man :D x Thank you for reading. Sorry for being so long!! Thought I'd just spit it all out in one go.... :) |
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Welcome Jody. Based on my knowledge of the products. If you were to ONLY take one, then start with Evanesce-ES. It has both testosterone blockers as well as a pool of estrogen resources. And your approach of "one step at a time" . . . good philosophy. Patricia |
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The only thing I wll add to what similacra28 has said, is that (since you have a small worry about it) NOTHING you take will give you suddenly large breasts. Not even lethal dosages of drug hormones, will give you suddenly large breasts. Once your breasts do begin to grow, there will be plenty of opportunity for you to adjust what you are doing, to control the rate of growth. . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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Thank you Similacra28 and Dianna. That was wrapped up nice and fast. So yes, I will go for the ES and see where that takes me. One last thing though, how many should I take per day, and what dosage should I not go above with them? As some here have stated that they have noticed effects within a couple of months (or even some within a couple of weeks), then could I too with just the ES possibly experience some element of change within a short time? If so, could this be more likely if I really did have very low T levels? I'm also very sensitive bodily (and other) wise, and my body doesn't seem to miss a trick and so I'm wondering/hoping that I may experience some of the 'inner' changes very quickly. And it is very comforting that the rate of change can be controlled - I think it's nice to have a say in what happens to you :) |
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If I may chime in here with an unofficial endorsement of these products. Dianna can't make claims as the jaws of the FDA watch the claims very carefully. However, as customers we can post what we notice. So here goes my post. It was through a series of events that I started the herbal hormone products. I'll tell you up front, I didn't start on the Pheonix products but have replaced the competitors with them as I run out. Now Dianna may not like my analogy but the products have similar appearance but the internal structures are so different. Think of it as two buildings that look the same on the outside. Then you go inside them and see one has twice the structural steel, trusses etc. Okay, that being said, have you noticed in the many threads on this site, the number of people that talk about the calm you feel shortly after starting? I could be another addition to that. My temper was legendary before starting this. Part may have been the T but there is a factor in there related to the internal gender battle. I've been trying to put this square peg in a round hole for over 40 years. I'm convinced that made my emotions TNT volitile. At 4 days after starting these, there was noticable disposition change. I haven't uttered a cuss word since during traffic rudeness, household mishaps or even family tiffs. Very nice feeling. Wish I'd have done it years ago just for that effect alone. Yes, I'm doing it for body changes but as I told a couple people, the settling of my emotional status alone, it would be worth it if I were to wake up suddenly with breasts like Beth Chapman. A bit extreme on the outside but feeling so well on the inside. No, the body doesn't give instant gratification with results but when you're happy with yourself, you can endure the wait. I've acquired more patience with this as well. I'm not one to even be able to speculate the feelings you have as andro, but if you have the internal battle, I'd say yes, do try it. I'm "value oriented" in things that I use. This is getting my business. -- Bcomingbrenda |
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After reading my previous post, I meant to say I'd be happy with the calm and waking up with those breasts EVEN IF I WASN'T TRANSITIONING. It's that good of a feeling. |
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> After reading my previous post, I meant to say I'd > be happy with the calm and waking up with those > breasts EVEN IF I WASN'T TRANSITIONING. > It's that good of a feeling. SOLD lol Thank you Brenda. I am now 'sitting on the edge of my seat' and can't wait to get back home!!!! May I ask what you are taking? And may I also ask what you desire from taking what you are? I ask as your post read that you at least were not aiming for humongous boobs (like myself - though I may desire that (at least larger ones maybe) in the future), and so although we maybe at different positions on the spectrum, we may share a common goal. I dunno. I know I identify as Androgynous, but I have a very strong desire to feminize. I just don't know 'how far' yet. My vision at this time is just to 'start' feminizing, and I will deal with the 'how much to' when I can see more clearly. I have a question though. Would it not be a good idea to take Feminol as well as the Evanesce ES to provide enough of an estrogen intake as the testosterone (why does that word sound evil?? - Mr T comin to get ya, n eat ya up lol) is depleted? And while 'things going to fast' seemed to be a concern, I now understand the element of control we have with these. That is one thing I am very thankful for - though I cannot regulate how quickly & strongly my body will react to these. I may be hungry :) So unless I am advised differently, my plan would be to take 5/6 E-ES per day for a month or 2 and see where that took me, and then maybe (a strong maybe) add Feminol to the equation... |
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Keep in mind, these results are me, not exactly what you will see or not see. The biggest change over the last month has been mental. I look at things in life completely different than I used to, but don't ask me to explain exactly how it is different. I used to have alot of anger and that too is pretty much gone. Physically I have noticed that my skin is smoother and the veins and tendons in my arms and hands are alot less visible. There is something different about my face, but I can't put my finger on it....somewhere around my eyes or the eyes themselves. I've noticed definite shifting of body fat from away from my mid section to around my hips and thighs. My guy clothes definitely fit alot baggier in certain places than they did before, but that could just be the weight loss. I lost ten pounds over the last month, which is a good thing :) I would definitely not pin your hopes on one or two months for anything significant to change and be noticable, but that is all up to your body chemistry. Some bodies will adapt quicker than others as I'm sure you have read in other posts. This is just to give you some sort of idea as to what to look for. Don't expect change to come overnight. Hugs, Carolyn PS. I take 6 E-ES, 4 F, 2 AE, 2 C, and 1 PhytoFeminais daily with alot of water -- Once I was upset because I had no shoes, until I saw a man with no feet. |
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And may I also ask what you desire from taking what you are? I ask as your post read that you at least were not aiming for humongous boobs Almost seems like a trick question. What I desire is to quit the fight of the square peg/round hole within myself. What bra size I end up with on this is what bra size I'll get. If I can give it a car angle, there's a Ferrari engine in the body of a Nash. It's not the B or C cup that will make me all the female I am. I desire the outside to match the inside. I see lots of posts from Traci-O where she's pleased as can be passing as female. I'll be willing to bet she's not sporting a set of triple Ds. And Carolyn too speaks of a calming effect. This program plus the realization you're actually doing something about your situation is mentally "relaxing". One other side benefit, being more sound emotionally has changed my eating habits. At the doctors office today, lost 10.5 lbs in 6 weeks. The eating I used to do out of depression has stopped. No other dieting has happened. And my blood pressure is where it was when I was in High School. So if one is looking for Goodyear to sponsor your blimp like boobs, the inner-benefits will house more signage. -- Bcomingbrenda |
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Traci-O is thrilled to be sporting "AA" or "nearly A" breasts...it isn't the size for me...I just LOVE how they have reshaped into a femme form...sure I would like for them to get larger, but if they did not grow another inch, I am totally happy! I lost 40 pounds over the past 15-16 months and with it, the old "moobies"...what was left transformed into what I have now. Just amazing for a girl of 60! (smile) Body has reshaped, body hair softer, skin so silky soft, hair too... Mental state is of total composure always..occasional emotional outpouring that wasn't present before as in crying over roadkill! LOL Rarely use make up except for Dermablend for beard cover and some foundation over that...also some lip gloss and liner...that's it! Getting "Mam'd" lots and my confidence has soared! FYI, I take 6 Ev-ES, 6 F, 2 CC, and down to 1 AE daily for the past 9 months...also use Phytofem., plus all the minerals and vitamins...never missed a day...feel great, look better! Enjoy the trip...it's all been good! Traci |
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Oooooppppssss....just realized there is a Tracy-O that posts in here too and I believe the prior comments were intended about her! I am Traci Lee O'Gara...thought Traci O was me! Oh well...that said, this program is working wonders for me and my sanity! A side note to my above post, I stopped using AE after 4.5 mos. as it totally interrupted my ability to function sexually and I have a woman in my life that deserves better...I began taking AE at month 8 again, only taking 1 per day...I still can achieve an orgasm and satisfy my partner...this is a nice thing about the program in that you can modify the rate of your changes...I suspect that within the next 6-12 mos. that I will become impotent, but I will be prepared to deal with that by then. Girls, this protocol works and works quite well...know what your goals are and be prepared to accept all consequences for there is no turning back the clock once you've changed... Traci |
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> this is a nice > thing about the program in that you can modify the > rate of your changes... Yes. That is a huge benefit. In using these products we are taking a more natural, more self-directed approach. An approach that reflects our own "personal" life choices. Patricia |
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> > Almost seems like a trick question. There is no trick question there Brenda. I am not 'testy' and I do not play games. Life (especially for us) is complicated enough without some smart-a** coming along thinking they are clever. My apologies if I came over badly. I was simply wondering what you were taking and what your aim (at this time) was. There was nothing else implied by my question. And through the limitations of 'type' then I can also assure you that my tone is a pleasant one. x |
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No offense taken, my comment about the trick question can best be summed up like this: A customer asks how long will the cheese last? He says 8 weeks. A week later the customer comes back with an empty wrapper and says "I thought you said it would last 8 weeks" So I had two ways to answer your question. The smart-alleck was clammoring for a chance too. -- Becomingbrenda |
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> A customer asks how long will the cheese last? He says 8 weeks. > A week later the customer comes back with an empty wrapper and says "I thought you said it would last 8 weeks" That would be me! Seriously :D I get slow moments here and there lol. I misunderstood you :) And thank you all for your tips n bits :) I've been reading through many of the posts on here and I feel very confident, but also comforted about beginning this journey. I think it is absolutely fantastic to have this board to be able to 'check in' on the experiences of others - past & present. It also creates an honest vibe about it all, which in turn allows you to easily put your trust in the products offered. So thank you all for sharing and a special thank you to Dianna for your wonderful work and eagerness to help and direct. I expect myself to post in future looking for support and guidance, as nobody knows (at least to my knowledge) -though no-one thinks I'm normal (by that I mean 'average' - I think that is the word no-one uses...), but I am perceived as a good person by those who I want to think that (an old Jedi mind-trick!! rofl), so that is what matters to me. You can be weird (a word used by people who exist in a small box to describe anything that exists outside of it!), crazy, big, small, spotty, any ole thing, but if you are kind hearted and a nice person and seek to love, then that is what matters! - So... I may need a helping hand at times from those who walk/walked the same path. Love to you all, and I hope we all find our place and peace xx |
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Oh my gawd! Jody - thank you SO much for posting! Reading your post inspired me to step out and introduce myself for you and I feel soooo much alike when it comes to what we're looking for in our transition. Hi everybody. Hi Dianna! My name is Kristy and I have been reading posts on the forum for over a month. This is my first post but have no idea as to where to even begin. But I'll try to keep this brief cuz I know people don't wanna read long aimless stories... So here it is in a nutshell. I am a 36 year old single, straight male, 5'9", 140/150#'s, and have cross dressed throughout my life even since I was a kid. This including going out into public on rare occasion. It's a bit easier since I live here in the San Francisco Bay Area. kay, gotta remember to keep this short. Although I often feel great being male (especially since I love and am attracted only to women (do TS women count too?)), I honesty wish I had been born a woman. However, due to the structure of my life as it stands at this moment, transitioning for full-time living is not in the cards at this time. However, as Jody pointed out, I am VERY interested in taking Evanesce for the "INNER FEMINIZATION" that I might feel. That would be so amazing! I would also really love the soft skin, silkier hair, facial softening, maybe some of the fat redistribution, but there are three area's to which would concern me. They are: 1. Growing breasts (I must pass in a male role) 2. Irreversible atrophy and impotence at this time (I am currently well endowed and enjoy the use of it. I don't want either to change. A vagina, is however, only a dream!) 3. Irreversible sterilization (since I don't yet have children but might like to in the future) I can not have these three. (In that order). At least not yet. Not right now. It has taken me many a years to decide to even move forward to any degree. Thanks to Dianna, now I just finally have a realistic tool (Evanesce) to take some initial steps. And like Jody - I too "am seeking some level of feminization (what level I don't know, I tend to 'ride the boat' and see where it takes me and then get off when I've gone far enough - that is generally 'my way' to approach life)" And again, like Jody - it is mainly the inner feminization that I am after - the 'state of mind', emotion and inner-calm that these hormones can hopefully offer. So having said all of that: I have read through countless posts throughout the forum for quite some time. Everyone here is so amazing, nice, and helpful to each other. Yay! :) But I to admit, at this point, I think I'm a little confused as to what to start off with in order to take things slow and mild. Again shooting for inner stuff and soft skin, face, more then anything. Dianna - please help. I know everyone is different and everyone's bodies react differently to things, and I know you have given countless advice for people to begin, but knowing what I'm looking for, what is your best suggestion? I would follow the advice you gave to Jody since we have so much in common as to what we're looking for, with the exception of one thing. Jody isn't concerned with sex drive, impotence, atrophy, etc. etc. So taking that into consideration . . . . Thank you ~EVERYONE~ for positing so much amazing information on this site!! -- xoxo, Kristy Kross - S.F. Bay Area |
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> 1. Growing breasts (I must pass in a male role) Except in very rare cases, breasts are not going to suddenly "pop out". Just like for a born-girl becoming a woman during puberty, there will be growth and change. It will be slow. Girls take 3-5 years to fully change into women, and girls in puberty changes do not have to overcome testosterone along the way. The beautiful part of using these formulations, is that Once physical changes begin, each individual has the ability, the option, to control the rate of change to be as low as possible, even zero rate of change, by adjusting their daily intake dosage. Buit this control can only happen once the inertia of testosterone production has been reduced. And the key here, is that virtually none of us know what our initial levels of testosterone are, nor do we know how much of a fight our testes will put up -- how resilient our testes will be. > 3. Irreversible sterilization (since I don't yet have children but might like to in the future) Given this goal, your most important task, right now, bank your sperm. > knowing what I'm looking for, what is your best suggestion? I would suggest that you start with the Anti-Testosterone Combo -- AndroEase and CalmCompanion ..at suggested starting dosages of two each, every day. The CalmCompanion needs to be taken ONLY with your evening meal. And also, start with Evanesce Classic. Start at the recommended starting dosage of six daily -- the purpose of the strong start is to begin overpowering testosterone levels and production. Once you sense changes, then you can reduce the daily dosage to control the rate of changes. Again, you need to start strong enough to overcome the inertia of testosterone production. Starting slow, starting with low dosages, rarely can do this job; for the vast majority of people, starting on low daily dosages is really not starting at all. And remember always -- except in rare cases, rare people. nothing you take, not even lethal dosages of drug hormones, will cause sudden "overnight" massive changes to your body. Those kinds of changes only happen in fiction and daydreams... and in people who are somewhat or a LOT intersexed to begin with. . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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Wow Dianna, thanks for such a quick turnaround to my concerns! I feel bad for you because I know you repeat yourself soooo much in this forum. But the work your doing for all of us is significant. Just for me to have a place to come to and read all of this content is amazing. And I feel so safe in this website. I feel like I'm in a secret private cave or something. It's great! So to recap to make sure I understand this right. I take 2 capsules of the AndroEase sometime during the day. I'm assuming when my day starts? Then I take 2 capsules of CalmCampanion only with my evening meal. Curious: Why is this important to take it then? Also, I often go to bed much later then my last meal. And other times right away. I have nothing consistent here. In addition to these two doses (4 caps in all) I should take: 6 capsules of Evanesce Classic each day (totaling 10 caps combined in all). Do I take all 6 at once or did I read somewhere that it doesn't matter. Will this give me more "inward changes" then outward? Really want the emotional side of feminization more then anything. As I see changes occur, how will I know which ones to reduce in order for slower or different results? Also, after I posted my initial introduction, I read this post: "In A Strange Place!" (http:/ Your product/dosage recommendation for Katie B is a bit different even though the results we might be looking for seem similar. Please expand if you would. Thank you so much Dianna! I am excited!! :) -- Kisses, Kristy |
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> I take 2 capsules of the AndroEase sometime during the day. I'm assuming when my day starts? With a meal -- any meal. > Then I take 2 capsules of CalmCampanion only with my evening meal. > Curious: Why is this important to take it then? > Also, I often go to bed much later then my last meal. Take them with your last meal of the day. It is not about bedtime, its about taking them with the last meal of the day; which assumes you will not be working after taking them. For some people, the ingredients will leave them relaxed to the point that they could fall asleep... > 6 capsules of Evanesce Classic each day Do I take all 6 at once > or did I read somewhere that it doesn't matter. With a meal, or divided between two meals -- its up to you. If you want things to happen a bit faster, use Evanesce-ES instead > Will this give me more "inward changes" then outward? > Really want the emotional side of feminization more then anything. Depends on how your body is "wired" -- i.e., your unique personal genetics. > As I see changes occur, how will I know which ones to reduce in order for slower or different results? Wait until the changes begin to happen -- then decide. Don't try to try to scientifically engineer the path, before you begin... > Your product/dosage recommendation for Katie B is a bit different even though the results we might be looking for seem similar. > Please expand if you would. Same answer as previous paragraph -- . -- "Helping you on your journey toward becoming a whole person" http://www.myevanesce.com |
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Hey KristyKross <----- is that a reference to Kriss-Kross? Yep, it sounds like we have very similar wants & requirements - though I accept that these may alter in time due to inner shifts and such. Wish I lived in SanFran as maybe I wouldn't feel so hidden and may find it easier to express myself in places other than my home!! Lucky you!! :) Well I made my first order yestrday, so...here goes nothing!! I'm alot of things at this stage; a lil nervous, excited, wondering and mostly curious as to what will happen - as I believe these pills have the potential to be everything I need them to be, and if that is indeed to the case, then I'ma be one happy bunny!! I have my email on my profile if you want to confer any time. -- Maybe we have to be ourselves before we can love ourselves |
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